Excellent reporting on this tragic story. It is the medical insurers who could end this insanity by refusing to cover what is unproven and harmful medicine. "Gender affirming care" is experimental medicine using confused children and youth as their subjects. A scandal of great proportions.
Incredibly sad. How could a doctor, or anyone else involved in this process, allow an inexperienced girl to imagine that what they were grafting on to her in any ways remotely resembles the genuine article? And it’s such a bizarre experimental surgery it’s no surprise it’s got such high complication rates. It shouldn’t be legal.
A lot of work went into pulling all this information together. Thank you.
In 1947 trials were held in Nuremberg, Germany of doctors who had performed medical experiments on thousands of prisoners of war in their camps.
After a very public trial that was broadcast around the world.
They were convicted and ultimately hanged.
Out of those trials came, The Nuremberg Code of Medical ethics, which clearly stated that patients must be able to understand the risks of all medical procedures offered them. ..ie. INFORMED CONSENT.
Clearly this young woman at age 12 could not have. And it led to her death.
Please someone tell me why the doctors and staff that performed these surgeries on her should not be hanged in Boston's Copley Square?
You are welcome. :) And you bring up an interesting point since 'informed consent' is now the standard for permitting surgeries like this, yet clearly in some cases it's not sufficient to protect vulnerable populations. Griffin no doubt gave 'informed consent' to the phalloplasty as a legal adult, but is it really possible for someone who almost certainly had their cognitive and emotional state impaired by other treatments received as a minor, to truly understand the impact of consenting to an invasive and essentially-experimental procedure as a young adult? I suspect that question will be answered via the court system, hopefully sooner rather than later.
I think the standard for consent must be built upon the existing law. In MA, the law of Lack of Criminal Responsibility states:
“If, however, the jurors have a reasonable doubt whether the defendant had a mental disease or defect, then in order to find him criminally responsible, the prosecutor must prove that, despite any mental disease or defect, the defendant nevertheless possessed substantial capacity both to appreciate the criminality or wrongfulness of his conduct and to conform his conduct to the law.What is mean by the word "appreciate" above means to understand rather than to merely know. The prosecutor must prove that the defendant knew and understood that his conduct was illegal or that it was wrong. It is not enough for the prosecutor to show that the defendant merely had knowledge or an intellectual awareness that his conduct was wrong; rather, the prosecutor must prove that a mental disease or defect did not deprive the defendant of a meaningful understanding and intelligent comprehension of the legal or moral import of his conduct.”
In order for children to give an Informed Consent to a SRS, the procedure itself must first be agreed upon as a dangerous precedent. And certain in MA it does not at this time. When you have doctors giving it out as candy for patients who self diagnose their own condition, then it is viewed as “necessary” and not extra ordinary.
Perhaps one day this dreadful tide will turn again.
After reading the work of Hannah Barnes on the GID program @ Tavistock (Time to Think) in the UK, pysch issues often accompanied these children coming for transition procedures. If you haven’t read her work, do so.
I couldn’t even read this whole article without feeling sick. How many precious lives will be ruined because parents trust the advice of professionals?
I feel like you’d HAVE to be deeply mentally ill to sign up for any of these experimental surgeries at all. Yes, Griffin was groomed at a young age to trust this system and sold a pack of lies. But you have to be in the midst of intense delusions with no healthy sense of self-preservation to get that far... let alone to keep believing in any of it after multiple waves of severe complications.
It’s not merely that Griffin had bad surgeons (although that’s true—I imagine few truly ethical doctors get into that line of work), but these procedures are still horrific to endure even in a best case scenario. This poor young person really deserved so much better, and likely would be alive today if we kept “trans affirming” healthcare away from minors.
This is so in depth and good. My daughter was influenced in the same ways in another state. You inspire me to look into them in depth and dig. Thank you for this. The activists don’t actually care about our childrens’ well being at all. Only their narcissistic moral superiority.
So sorry to hear about your daughter. ❤️ And you are right - they don't care. We've been watching this story and have yet to see any of the activists voice concern over what happened to Griffin (though some of them are quite mad that "trans phobes" are talking about it).
Recently, didn't the group representing plastic surgeons make a statement against "gender affirming care?" Puts the oath doctors take, Do No Harm, to shame.
This is just about the most transphobic article I've ever read about a transman. I couldn't even get past you misgendering him. There's nothing wrong with GCS. If you choose the wrong surgeon, you'll get poor results. I'll read about him somewhere else, because this is bullshit. Excellent story, my ass. SMFH
Thanks for your comment - although if you couldn't get past us "misgendering" Griffin, then you didn't read the article at all. If you had, you would have seen that Griffin went to a well-known surgeon at a reputable hospital. It seems you have allowed your distaste for our use of biological pronouns to keep you from reading and learning these facts for yourself, but that's your choice. We do hope you read about what happened to Griffin elsewhere, although we fear you'll have a tough time of it since the only people who seem to care about her death are folks you would likely dismiss as "transphobes." If you find any pro-gender-transition voices speaking honestly about Griffin's death, please feel free to come back and link their articles here.
No, it seems like you don't know shit about GCS, nor his medical history as explained by his best friend in a bottom-surgery group. It doesn't really matter. I spot-read it, and you're still sick & evil for taking the spin you took on it. It's inhumane and you probably call yourselves Christian. Whatever. Even if you don't, you have no right to take this tone on a dead man who has family, friends, and loved-ones who loved him. He wasn't a child, either. They’re still grieving, you jerk.
There’s nothing about this that you can “teach” me. I’m a transman and know far more than you do about this topic. I’m also 67 and you shouldn’t be condescending towards anybody. People do care, but they’re more afraid of folks like you than I am. I’m also a veteran and you should mind your own damn business and stop being a moron. I could teach you, not the other way around.
That's okay. I'll deal with you people another way, because we're tired of all of you attacking our humanity with lies, disinformation, misinformation, and transphobia. Plenty of us are pro-gender-transition. I am an activist, but I don't owe a right-wing anti-trans publication anything without bringing in the troops. You asked for it, you got it, TOYOTA! Thanks for the permission to smear YOU all over the internet ... OUR WORLD, not yours. I've had GCS and you're quite full of it. You shall see.
Also trans, 13 years on, and a veteran, just not as old and I agree with the info this article is posting. Griffin was taken in to all of this way too young. Most likely autistic, and just kept running headfirst into the brickwall their life had become. Looking at their page is like watching someone slowly poison themselves . It's very reminiscent of Eugenia Cooney who assures her fans she's fine and that all the other are haters. Clearly transitioning did not save this young persons life
Griffin was the exception, not the rule. Plenty of people have had that surgery and are fine. In fact, they are thriving. My homie is one of them. Griffin picked a horrible surgeon, and this article points at many things besides THAT surgeon! I'm alerting all the groups who his surgeon was, too. It's still transphobic AF ... this article is. It stokes transphobia, or haven't you read all these comments, Jack? Not just mine.
These people find a few that had horrible experiences, which Griffin's is the worst, and use that to say GCS is a bad thing when it saves many lives. If you are a transman, I can't even believe you're agreeing with the tone of this article. In fact, I'm wondering... Have you had GCS? Have you had bottom surgery? Do you plan to? What are the names of the bottom surgeries, and I'll know if you Google'd it. You won't be able to say much about them. If you take too long, I'll know you're looking up the answers too.
Of course someone like you would jump out here in agreement and say something. Do not encourage this mean-spirited nonsense or it may happen to you when you die. These are the same kinds of people who look for detransitioners and say, "See, being trans is wrong because of THOSE few people!" I don't believe you're a transman OR trans. You created this account to come in here saying this, and I think you're lying.
NOBODY trans would agree with this article. Not in the least. So, you're just one of the rustlers, because this is the only writer you have in your profile. LIAR!!!!!!!
Do you promote under 18 being transitioned? A consenting adult can legally do what they wish and even though I’m a Christian I’m also libertarian. Your life, your choice.
I'm promoting nothing and it wasn't our doing that we ended up politicized this way. What minors do is between them, their parents, and their doctors ... not these Christo-Fascist wannabe doctors who don't give a shit about us.
Now, if you want to know what the definition of transitionED is, the internet is full of information. Why ask me? As far as I'm concerned, it's none of your business and wasn't the business of these people to mock a dead man. The whole thing is disingenuous at best. THAT is the name of this tune.
Being fully transitioned means different things to different trans people. I don't know your intentions or your agenda, so I'm not having a personal conversation with people in here unless I know they want to be educated without arguing or putting anybody down. I am a smart man.
I haven't forgotten about this. I'm making a bunch of preparations to pull people in, if they're willing to go to battle with the tone of this post. I am an unusual trans man and fear nobody. That is not the case for most people in this country. They'd rather hide than make "good" trouble, and being it that I was raised during the Civil Rights Movement, I have a different mindset.
Maybe you and your co-conspirator need to understand cultural norms as well. Nobody can blow anything up on the internet. "Blew it up, blow it up" are Black phrases. Are you all crazy with hate so much that you WISH I would do that? Hmmmm....
Sharing Griffin’s story was a very emotional experience for us. We want her life and her story to matter. We worked hard to handle the story compassionately.
We are not your enemy. We actually have a great deal of empathy and compassion for you and for those struggling with gender identity issues. We are profoundly sorry for the pain you have experienced throughout your life related to this issue. You were created a female. Wonderfully and beautifully made. We care about the truth and we also care about people’s suffering. Robust studies and evidence affirm our position. You may not agree with us, but we will not stop speaking the truth, in the hope that some children may be saved from going down a road that causes them irreparable harm. We care about you and your voice, but if you are not able to stop insulting and threatening on this thread you will be blocked.
What a tragedy. I’ve seen some of this poor young woman’s videos for a few years. It was always obvious that something terrible must have happened to her and that she was suffering a great deal. Only 24.
Thank you for reporting on this. Boston children's performed their first phalloplasty on a 24-year -old woman in 2018. The surgeon was the same - Dr. Oren Ganor. The patient also apparently had complications -bladder problems, blocked uretha...One surgeon from another center claims, "He expects incremental annual improvements in complication rates, in the range of 2 percent."
It would be interesting to know the stats on how many actually carry through with plalloplasty or vaginoplasty. From one study in 2021 in PRS Global Open, “After compiling the results of the update with the previous systematic review, a total of 57 studies pooling 4680 cases were included in the systematic review, and 52 studies were used in the meta-analysis. Overall pooled data including any surgical technique showed rates of 1% [95% confidence interval (CI) <0.1%–2%] of fistula, 11% (95% CI 8%–14%) of stenosis and/or strictures, 4% (95% CI 1%–9%) of tissue necrosis, and 3% (95% CI 1%–4%) of prolapse. Overall satisfaction was 91% (81%–98%). Regret rate was 2% (95% CI <1%–3%). Average neovaginal depth was 9.4 cm (7.9–10.9 cm) for the penile skin inversion and 15.3 cm (13.8–16.7 cm) for the intestinal vaginoplasty.” Lots of stats but not a risk or complication free set of procedures. No surgery is risk free so to submit healthy people to Frankenstein surgeries is insanity.
If you come across stats on how many carry through with genital surgeries, please drop them here. I suspect it's difficult to quantify because they are done in a variety of settings.
Excellent reporting on this tragic story. It is the medical insurers who could end this insanity by refusing to cover what is unproven and harmful medicine. "Gender affirming care" is experimental medicine using confused children and youth as their subjects. A scandal of great proportions.
I liken this barbarity to Mengele’s torture of humans including children in WW2.
Who knew being your authentic self could cost over half a million dollars.
Sincere condolences to those who are mourning the loss of this person.
That this story isn’t in the New York Times or the Washington Post is reprehensible.
Incredibly sad. How could a doctor, or anyone else involved in this process, allow an inexperienced girl to imagine that what they were grafting on to her in any ways remotely resembles the genuine article? And it’s such a bizarre experimental surgery it’s no surprise it’s got such high complication rates. It shouldn’t be legal.
A lot of work went into pulling all this information together. Thank you.
In 1947 trials were held in Nuremberg, Germany of doctors who had performed medical experiments on thousands of prisoners of war in their camps.
After a very public trial that was broadcast around the world.
They were convicted and ultimately hanged.
Out of those trials came, The Nuremberg Code of Medical ethics, which clearly stated that patients must be able to understand the risks of all medical procedures offered them. ..ie. INFORMED CONSENT.
Clearly this young woman at age 12 could not have. And it led to her death.
Please someone tell me why the doctors and staff that performed these surgeries on her should not be hanged in Boston's Copley Square?
You are welcome. :) And you bring up an interesting point since 'informed consent' is now the standard for permitting surgeries like this, yet clearly in some cases it's not sufficient to protect vulnerable populations. Griffin no doubt gave 'informed consent' to the phalloplasty as a legal adult, but is it really possible for someone who almost certainly had their cognitive and emotional state impaired by other treatments received as a minor, to truly understand the impact of consenting to an invasive and essentially-experimental procedure as a young adult? I suspect that question will be answered via the court system, hopefully sooner rather than later.
I think the standard for consent must be built upon the existing law. In MA, the law of Lack of Criminal Responsibility states:
“If, however, the jurors have a reasonable doubt whether the defendant had a mental disease or defect, then in order to find him criminally responsible, the prosecutor must prove that, despite any mental disease or defect, the defendant nevertheless possessed substantial capacity both to appreciate the criminality or wrongfulness of his conduct and to conform his conduct to the law.What is mean by the word "appreciate" above means to understand rather than to merely know. The prosecutor must prove that the defendant knew and understood that his conduct was illegal or that it was wrong. It is not enough for the prosecutor to show that the defendant merely had knowledge or an intellectual awareness that his conduct was wrong; rather, the prosecutor must prove that a mental disease or defect did not deprive the defendant of a meaningful understanding and intelligent comprehension of the legal or moral import of his conduct.”
In order for children to give an Informed Consent to a SRS, the procedure itself must first be agreed upon as a dangerous precedent. And certain in MA it does not at this time. When you have doctors giving it out as candy for patients who self diagnose their own condition, then it is viewed as “necessary” and not extra ordinary.
Perhaps one day this dreadful tide will turn again.
Thanks for this. That is depressing. Makes me feel hopeless
After reading the work of Hannah Barnes on the GID program @ Tavistock (Time to Think) in the UK, pysch issues often accompanied these children coming for transition procedures. If you haven’t read her work, do so.
I couldn’t even read this whole article without feeling sick. How many precious lives will be ruined because parents trust the advice of professionals?
And it all is looking equally opportunistic and predatory--from the groomers to the hospitals https://substack.com/home/post/p-147994275?source=queue
I feel like you’d HAVE to be deeply mentally ill to sign up for any of these experimental surgeries at all. Yes, Griffin was groomed at a young age to trust this system and sold a pack of lies. But you have to be in the midst of intense delusions with no healthy sense of self-preservation to get that far... let alone to keep believing in any of it after multiple waves of severe complications.
It’s not merely that Griffin had bad surgeons (although that’s true—I imagine few truly ethical doctors get into that line of work), but these procedures are still horrific to endure even in a best case scenario. This poor young person really deserved so much better, and likely would be alive today if we kept “trans affirming” healthcare away from minors.
This should be illegal!
This is so in depth and good. My daughter was influenced in the same ways in another state. You inspire me to look into them in depth and dig. Thank you for this. The activists don’t actually care about our childrens’ well being at all. Only their narcissistic moral superiority.
So sorry to hear about your daughter. ❤️ And you are right - they don't care. We've been watching this story and have yet to see any of the activists voice concern over what happened to Griffin (though some of them are quite mad that "trans phobes" are talking about it).
These are the professional associations currently supporting gender mutilation in kids.
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Dermatology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American College Health Association
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American Counseling Association
American Heart Association
American Medical Student Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Society for Reproductive Medicine
American Urological Association
Endocrine Society
Federation of Pediatric Organizations
GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
The Journal of the American Medical Association
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health
National Association of Social Workers
Ohio Children’s Hospital
Pediatric Endocrine Society
Pediatrics (Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics ) and Seattle Children’s Hospital
Texas Medical Association
Texas Pediatric Society
United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH)
World Health Organization (WHO)
World Medical Association
World Professional Association for Transgender Health
That is frightening when seeing them all together, and probably not even complete.
Not a kind face on this doctor:
https://www.emedevents.com/speaker-profile/oren-ganor
Recently, didn't the group representing plastic surgeons make a statement against "gender affirming care?" Puts the oath doctors take, Do No Harm, to shame.
Yes - you can read about that here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-society-plastic-surgeons-breaks-090018266.html
Thank God for reasonable humans.
This is just about the most transphobic article I've ever read about a transman. I couldn't even get past you misgendering him. There's nothing wrong with GCS. If you choose the wrong surgeon, you'll get poor results. I'll read about him somewhere else, because this is bullshit. Excellent story, my ass. SMFH
Hi Ray,
Thanks for your comment - although if you couldn't get past us "misgendering" Griffin, then you didn't read the article at all. If you had, you would have seen that Griffin went to a well-known surgeon at a reputable hospital. It seems you have allowed your distaste for our use of biological pronouns to keep you from reading and learning these facts for yourself, but that's your choice. We do hope you read about what happened to Griffin elsewhere, although we fear you'll have a tough time of it since the only people who seem to care about her death are folks you would likely dismiss as "transphobes." If you find any pro-gender-transition voices speaking honestly about Griffin's death, please feel free to come back and link their articles here.
No, it seems like you don't know shit about GCS, nor his medical history as explained by his best friend in a bottom-surgery group. It doesn't really matter. I spot-read it, and you're still sick & evil for taking the spin you took on it. It's inhumane and you probably call yourselves Christian. Whatever. Even if you don't, you have no right to take this tone on a dead man who has family, friends, and loved-ones who loved him. He wasn't a child, either. They’re still grieving, you jerk.
There’s nothing about this that you can “teach” me. I’m a transman and know far more than you do about this topic. I’m also 67 and you shouldn’t be condescending towards anybody. People do care, but they’re more afraid of folks like you than I am. I’m also a veteran and you should mind your own damn business and stop being a moron. I could teach you, not the other way around.
That's okay. I'll deal with you people another way, because we're tired of all of you attacking our humanity with lies, disinformation, misinformation, and transphobia. Plenty of us are pro-gender-transition. I am an activist, but I don't owe a right-wing anti-trans publication anything without bringing in the troops. You asked for it, you got it, TOYOTA! Thanks for the permission to smear YOU all over the internet ... OUR WORLD, not yours. I've had GCS and you're quite full of it. You shall see.
https://youtu.be/KQetemT1sWc?feature=shared
Also trans, 13 years on, and a veteran, just not as old and I agree with the info this article is posting. Griffin was taken in to all of this way too young. Most likely autistic, and just kept running headfirst into the brickwall their life had become. Looking at their page is like watching someone slowly poison themselves . It's very reminiscent of Eugenia Cooney who assures her fans she's fine and that all the other are haters. Clearly transitioning did not save this young persons life
Griffin was the exception, not the rule. Plenty of people have had that surgery and are fine. In fact, they are thriving. My homie is one of them. Griffin picked a horrible surgeon, and this article points at many things besides THAT surgeon! I'm alerting all the groups who his surgeon was, too. It's still transphobic AF ... this article is. It stokes transphobia, or haven't you read all these comments, Jack? Not just mine.
These people find a few that had horrible experiences, which Griffin's is the worst, and use that to say GCS is a bad thing when it saves many lives. If you are a transman, I can't even believe you're agreeing with the tone of this article. In fact, I'm wondering... Have you had GCS? Have you had bottom surgery? Do you plan to? What are the names of the bottom surgeries, and I'll know if you Google'd it. You won't be able to say much about them. If you take too long, I'll know you're looking up the answers too.
Of course someone like you would jump out here in agreement and say something. Do not encourage this mean-spirited nonsense or it may happen to you when you die. These are the same kinds of people who look for detransitioners and say, "See, being trans is wrong because of THOSE few people!" I don't believe you're a transman OR trans. You created this account to come in here saying this, and I think you're lying.
NOBODY trans would agree with this article. Not in the least. So, you're just one of the rustlers, because this is the only writer you have in your profile. LIAR!!!!!!!
Do you promote under 18 being transitioned? A consenting adult can legally do what they wish and even though I’m a Christian I’m also libertarian. Your life, your choice.
I'm promoting nothing and it wasn't our doing that we ended up politicized this way. What minors do is between them, their parents, and their doctors ... not these Christo-Fascist wannabe doctors who don't give a shit about us.
Now, if you want to know what the definition of transitionED is, the internet is full of information. Why ask me? As far as I'm concerned, it's none of your business and wasn't the business of these people to mock a dead man. The whole thing is disingenuous at best. THAT is the name of this tune.
Being fully transitioned means different things to different trans people. I don't know your intentions or your agenda, so I'm not having a personal conversation with people in here unless I know they want to be educated without arguing or putting anybody down. I am a smart man.
I haven't forgotten about this. I'm making a bunch of preparations to pull people in, if they're willing to go to battle with the tone of this post. I am an unusual trans man and fear nobody. That is not the case for most people in this country. They'd rather hide than make "good" trouble, and being it that I was raised during the Civil Rights Movement, I have a different mindset.
King Ray, are you making threats against us?
Maybe you and your co-conspirator need to understand cultural norms as well. Nobody can blow anything up on the internet. "Blew it up, blow it up" are Black phrases. Are you all crazy with hate so much that you WISH I would do that? Hmmmm....
What threat? Now you people are making other things up? SMFH
Well, if you think violence is the answer, you’re wrong. You’ve never faced a parent protecting their child.
Who's threatening violence? TF? Y'all are experiencing the kind of delusion that I have no answer for. Therapy might be good for you.
Sharing Griffin’s story was a very emotional experience for us. We want her life and her story to matter. We worked hard to handle the story compassionately.
We are not your enemy. We actually have a great deal of empathy and compassion for you and for those struggling with gender identity issues. We are profoundly sorry for the pain you have experienced throughout your life related to this issue. You were created a female. Wonderfully and beautifully made. We care about the truth and we also care about people’s suffering. Robust studies and evidence affirm our position. You may not agree with us, but we will not stop speaking the truth, in the hope that some children may be saved from going down a road that causes them irreparable harm. We care about you and your voice, but if you are not able to stop insulting and threatening on this thread you will be blocked.
Your tone here has been very aggressive. You have made several comments that could be perceived as threats.
Yes, they are to blame, and they need to be sued, big time! No limits on the amounts!
What a tragedy. I’ve seen some of this poor young woman’s videos for a few years. It was always obvious that something terrible must have happened to her and that she was suffering a great deal. Only 24.
Thank you for reporting on this. Boston children's performed their first phalloplasty on a 24-year -old woman in 2018. The surgeon was the same - Dr. Oren Ganor. The patient also apparently had complications -bladder problems, blocked uretha...One surgeon from another center claims, "He expects incremental annual improvements in complication rates, in the range of 2 percent."
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/08/17/boston-childrens-transgender-surgery-phalloplasty-penis/
It needs to end and these docs brought to justice.
Great catch! Here's another article as well. https://www.wbur.org/news/2018/08/17/hogle-penis-trans-surgery
It would be interesting to know the stats on how many actually carry through with plalloplasty or vaginoplasty. From one study in 2021 in PRS Global Open, “After compiling the results of the update with the previous systematic review, a total of 57 studies pooling 4680 cases were included in the systematic review, and 52 studies were used in the meta-analysis. Overall pooled data including any surgical technique showed rates of 1% [95% confidence interval (CI) <0.1%–2%] of fistula, 11% (95% CI 8%–14%) of stenosis and/or strictures, 4% (95% CI 1%–9%) of tissue necrosis, and 3% (95% CI 1%–4%) of prolapse. Overall satisfaction was 91% (81%–98%). Regret rate was 2% (95% CI <1%–3%). Average neovaginal depth was 9.4 cm (7.9–10.9 cm) for the penile skin inversion and 15.3 cm (13.8–16.7 cm) for the intestinal vaginoplasty.” Lots of stats but not a risk or complication free set of procedures. No surgery is risk free so to submit healthy people to Frankenstein surgeries is insanity.
If you come across stats on how many carry through with genital surgeries, please drop them here. I suspect it's difficult to quantify because they are done in a variety of settings.